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The ‘Animaniacs’ Reboot and Other Assorted Stuff Discussion Post

Jason (Goldstar)’s “No New Animaniacs!’ Unpopular Opinion post was supposed to be him stating how he felt that Animaniacs should be left as-is and not receive a reboot–then Warner Bros. had to go and announce a reboot of the show. Suddenly, all of the comments to that post were about the reboot, thus undermining the point of the original post.

I’m personally not all that psyched for this reboot, but you guys clearly are, because the comments, news and updates about it keep coming. So we’ve decided to make a new post just for discussion about this show. Any new comments anyone has about the A! reboot should henceforth be made here instead of in “No New Animaniacs!”, and any subsequent comments regarding the A! reboot that gets posted in the Unpopular Opinions post will be redirected over to this one. So have at it, folks; personally I don’t have anything more to say about this than what I’ve stated already.

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  1. So, I’ll just summarize what I said in the other thread. The show will have a virtual panel at New York Comic Con next month (which is October 8-11). Any news will be here.

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  2. I’m guessing the “and Other Assorted Stuff” portion of the title refers to unrelated things?
    I’m asking because something new just came out (not related to Animaniacs) that I want to share with you, but there is no appropriate place on this blog to post it.

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    • silverstar

      Yes.

      As y’all know by know, this site is undergoing a transformation; we’re entering the final stages before launching Twinsanity’s YouTube channel, after which this site will mainly function as a linkway to our channel with the occasional site news update and quick little jokey-joke post every once in a while (We plan to lay out our entire strategy of what’s going to happen site-wise in the months to come, but right now I’m too busy to sit down and do a bunch of typing; that’ll be revealed at a later time). Here’s the abridged version: when the channel is launched, then all of the blog posts we’ve done up to this point will be archived, and the new major posts (the ones with the fancy category names) will be done as videos.

      Long story short, we created this post for you guys to post news, info and updates so you won’t have to search around looking for the right post to comment under. I’m probably going to pin this post to the main page, since going forward the main bulk of our new content will be in video form.

      So yeah, if you have any animation or animation-adjacent news you’d like to share with us, from now on do it here. Same rules apply for comments as before, for newcomers I recommend checking out our post Comments About Comments before posting anything, so’s there won’t be any confusion. Enjoy!

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  3. Have you seen the trailer for Elliott From Earth? The crew behind Gumball has been working on this since that show was wrapping production a couple of years ago, and the trailer came out yesterday.

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  4. silverstar

    I’ve seen it. It looks OK I guess, nothing I’d go out of my way to watch, though. I don’t particularly like the designs of the aliens; they all look like variously colored balloon blobs. Not very imaginative.

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  5. I saw the trailer last night. The fact that this show was made by the crew behind The Amazing World of Gumball doesn’t excite me, since I’m not a Gumball fan, but it could be interesting. I’d prefer it if the show didn’t have the angle of “Elliot and his mum don’t know who brought them there and why?” The mystery angle isn’t necessary and I’d rather there not have been any kind of ongoing saga. Can’t TV shows just be funny anymore? Anyway, it’s too early for me to have any strong opinions about Eliot from Earth. I’m not expecting this show to rock my socks, but hopefully it will be worth a watch.

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  6. Since “other assorted stuff” is in the title, I’ll talk about that. On Wednesday, The Loud House was renewed for season 6, making it the only Nicktoon from the 2010s to get that far (the second longest would be the 2012 TMNT series, which ran for 5 seasons and 124 episodes). Loud House Season 5 premiered last night with the hour long special “Schooled”, and it’s impressive how it shakes up the status quo (Lincoln and his friends are now in middle school, Lori goes to Fairway College, and Lily starts preschool). While the show is still episodic and does it well, it’s nice to see that the show is willing to shake things up a bit.

    I’ve also recently been watching Glitch Techs, an action comedy cartoon that Nickelodeon put onto Netflix (the second time they did so after Pinky Malinky). It’s created by Eric Robles (creator of Fanboy And Chum Chum) and Dan Milano (writer for Robot Chicken, All Hail King Julien, and Dawn Of The Croods). It’s a show about two teenagers named aFive (real name Hector Nieves) and Miko Kubota, who join the Glitch Techs Hinobi, a notable video game and technology company. The Glitch Techs are a secret task force composed of a bunch of teenagers (the others being Mitch Williams, Zahra, Nix, Bergy, and Sandeep) as they go around fighting glitches that come out of Hinobi technology. They have special gauntlets that contain these glitches, and have to wipe the memory of the people in the area. The show has been well received for its loving tribute to video games (and even those that don’t know them can still follow the show must fine) as well as the relationships that develop over the show (for example, Five and Miko are really good friends, and are not in a romantic relationship). The show has some continuity hinting at something bigger, but it’s otherwise an episodic series with each episode having a self contained plot (though the episodes are apparently out of order). The show is currently in production hiatus. While the first 20 episodes can be found on Netflix, Nickelodeon stopped production of the show while the creators were working on what would’ve been a 10 episode season 2. This was mainly due to a management change at Nickelodeon over the last few years. There’s currently a petition to get the show renewed (or at least get those 10 episodes animated since they’ve already been written, storyboarded, and recorded).

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  7. silverstar

    I’ve never seen Glitch Techs, so I can’t comment on that.

    Regarding The Loud House: I couldn’t disagree more. I dislike this latest move with a fiery passion. The show was already headed to Genericville after around season 3 or 4, and there’s already far too emphasis on school on the show as it is, but this desire to “shake up the status quo” just reeks of desperation and creative bankruptcy to me. It’s clear the idea well is really starting to run dry now, but TLH is currently one of Nick’s biggest hits; I personally don’t think any scripted show should go beyond 3 or 4 seasons, but the show’s doing too well and if Nick axed TLH now, then Spongebob would be their only animated series not on Nick Jr., so Nick is going to keep milking this show for all its’ worth.

    I’m just not feeling this move at all, not in the slightest; they’re messing with the formula and the basic group dynamic far too much. On a live-action show, when a teenage character goes away to college, that means they’re being written out of the show, The title of the show is The Loud House, meaning the main cast has to be concentrated around, guess what, the HOUSE. You take a main character out of said house, and it’s not The Loud House anymore. While Lori has her moments of being kind of annoying, she’s too necessary to the family’s dynamic. What are they gonna do, put Leni in charge? No, just no. That’d be like if Moe Howard retired from the Three Stooges, but instead of replacing him, the studio just made Larry the boss. And you can’t age up Lily; her being a baby is her only character trait, change that, and what have you got? Nothing.

    This is a good dropping off point for me. I haven’t been keeping with things on TLH much lately, and based on what I have been seeing and reading, it doesn’t sound like I’ve been missing much. I’m officially done with The Loud House now. The first 2 seasons or so will always remain the best.

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    • Interestingly enough, there’s an episode coming out next week about Leni now being the oldest in the house, and how she’ll handle things. I’ve kept up with The Loud House since day 1, and the show has made subtle changes. Lily is still a baby, but she’s had more moments of acting independently. Lori is still one of the main characters, but I think her plots will be more about her life in college. Plus, many of her plots in seasons 3-4 have been more about her independence, and how she’ll door with being a young adult, which I think is an interesting move I mean, the show has already turned into an ensemble show, with a number of episodes that focus on the sisters’ relationships with others (like how episodes like Leader Of The Lack show Leni at her job at the mall, and how she’s still sweet, but needs to learn to show more backbone) , with a number of episodes that don’t have Lincoln in them (Good Sports/Geri-Antics is the first episode outside of The Casagrandes at the start of season 4 where he doesn’t appear in either segment). I will say there’s a change in the show’s tone, but I’d say it’s more due to addressing the complaints some people had on the show being a bit too cynical at times (there’s a reason the show has an entry under “darkness induced audience apathy” on tv tropes).

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  8. I haven’t watched The Loud House since season 2 (or early season 3, maybe? I’m not entirely sure), and it doesn’t sound like I’ve been missing anything great. I’ve noticed a significant decline in the show’s quality in the last crop of episodes that I saw (far too many generic school plots and far too much emphasis on young romance, even for the little kids, which makes no sense), so I just stopped watching it altogether. It sounds like TLH is on it’s way to becoming a zombie show that refuses to die like The Simpsons. Quite frankly, The Loud House was a premise that was fairly limited from the start; it’s just a slice of life show about a boy with a big family, so it was only a matter of time before the show wrote itself into a corner and began repeating certain types of story lines and gags. It’s obvious that Nickelodeon won’t end TLH as long as it keeps making the network money, but my personal feeling is that no scripted TV series should go beyond 3 or at the most 4 seasons, but that’s just my opinion.

    What’s unfortunate is that, like Silverstar already noted, as tired as The Loud House seems to be getting, it’s currently the only other original animated series that’s currently running on Nick besides SpongeBob that isn’t intended for preschoolers. Rise of TMNT has been exiled to Nicktoons, which means that the network is basically done with it. Nicktoons is Nickelodeon’s recycle bin. Beyond that, the channel serves no purpose. And I’ve read that now that Viacom has merged with CBS (and now goes by the name ViacomCBS), that the company will soon be adding Viacom owned properties such as the aforementioned Spongey One and others to the CBS All Access streaming service and said service will be getting a new (as yet unrevealed) name at the end of this year. Meaning that afterwards, the Nicktoons channel will have even less reason to exist than it does now.

    I haven’t seen Glitch Techs (although I was aware of it), so I can’t comment on that.

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    • Rise Of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aired its series finale on Nicktoons Network last month, with season 2 actually having its episode count slashed from 26 episodes to 14 episodes. There’s still that upcoming Netflix movie, but not much else.

      Regarding Loud House, the show has changed in some ways. For example, Clyde’s crush on Lori disappeared starting in season 3, Ronnie Anne and Lincoln are now just good friends, and the only real romance plots are Luna with her girlfriend Sam, Lori with her boyfriend Bobby, and Luan with her boyfriend Benny, and it’s usually just a few episodes. I don’t really mind the changes. The characters are still fun to watch, and the change to an ensemble show helps to develop the characters more (for example, I like the friendship that Lynn has with Mr. Grouse since Good Sports). I don’t really think there are too many repeated storylines, and the one that happen usually have enough differences. In some cases , they can improve on a previous episode (for example, I find season 3’s “Hero Today Gone Tomorrow” to be a better version of season 2’s “Lynn-er Takes All” due to Lynn’s character development actually sticking in the end).

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      • silverstar

        For anyone who’s still digging The Loud House, I say if the show’s still doing something for you, then by all means continue to enjoy it. Have at it. As for me, I just feel like the show peaked somewhere around seasons 2 or 3 and has now lost its’ focus and uniqueness; once it became an ensemble piece, it just reminds me of an animated Full House or something similar; not my jam personally, but it should be noted that I’m light years away from the target audience for this show. I’m an old crank, so naturally this show’s not gonna appeal to me the way it would to a kid.

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  9. I’ve seen some debate online if the 2 Muppet Babies cartoons should be considered official Muppet productions. This is mainly due to how they’re both animated and skew for younger audiences (the original series went into reruns on either Nick Jr or Playhouse Disney depending on where you lived, while the 2018 series is a Disney Junior show). I would say they should count. If nothing else, they at least have the longevity factor. Besides The Muppet Show (which ran for 5 seasons and 120 episodes), both Muppet Babies cartoons are the longest running Muppet shows. The original series had like 100 episodes over 7-8 seasons, while the 2018 series currently has 41 episodes over 2 seasons (if season 3 is the last season , that’ll bring the show to at least 61 episodes). Compare that to The Jim Henson Hour (12 episodes), Muppets Tonight (2 seasons with 22 episodes in total), The Muppets (2015) (16 episodes), and Muppets Now (it was originally a series of shorts, but they were stitched together into being 6 full length episodes).

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  10. To be very nitpicky, both incarnations of Muppet Babies were non-canon, if we’re going to go with the premise that The Muppet Movie (1979) was the “true” story of how they all met, but none of the Muppets theatrical films were in canon with one another, so yeah, that’s debatable. However, if you’re asking me if I think that Scooter’s twin sister Skeeter and Summer Penguin should be made part of the official Muppets roster, my answer is “Yes”. It’s been argued that since Skeeter has yet to make an appearance in puppet form, that she’s not a true Muppet, but that could easily be rectified (more on this later). Summer, on the other hand, was made into a puppet in Disney Junior’s “Play Date” segments that aired between seasons 1 and 2.

    I don’t know if you’ve seen Muppets Now on Disney+ (I have seen all five of the initial episodes), and my opinions on the show are mixed. It’s an interesting idea and promising premise, but some of the individual segments could use some work. There was a surprising lack of Fozzie Bear on the show so far. He only made a cameo appearance in the first episode and in the wraparounds in the second episode, yet we got a Muppet Labs sketch in all 5 episodes, which I didn’t think was necessary. If you’ve seen one Muppet Labs sketch, you’ve seen them all. And someone who works on Muppets Now must really like the Swedish Chef, since he appeared in every single episode so far.

    Getting back to the original point, one thing that Disney could do with the next crop of Muppets Now episodes (assuming that the show gets a 2nd season, of course), is bring in some new segments featuring some more characters. Make a puppet version of an older Summer and have her make her puppet debut on Muppets Now. Summer is an artist, so why not have Summer host an art room segment where the character parodies the late Bob Ross’ show? As for Skeeter, well, Muppets Now is on the internet, right? So why not have Skeeter and Scooter host a video game review show? Have the twins do funny reviews on fake video games. Skeeter’s also athletic, so why not make some Muppet Sport Shorts featuring Skeeter?

    And please, Disney, give Fozzie and Gonzo more to do on the show! Any Muppet Show Players project needs to have it’s “Big 4”; Kermit the Frog, Miss Piggy, Fozzie Bear and Gonzo.

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    • silverstar

      One thing that I noticed about Muppets Now is the curious lack of musical numbers, though it could likely be due to Disney not wanting to pay for musical rights. The Electric Mayhem only appeared once on the show, and they didn’t perform at all; they showed up in one wraparound to wake up Scooter, and that was it. I get that maybe Disney doesn’t want to pay for covers, but what’s the point in having a band on the show if they’re not going to sing? It’s like having John Travolta on your show and not having him dance.

      I also noticed that in the Electric Mayhem’s sole appearance (so far), Lips the trumpeter was noticeable by his absence. This could be because Lips was created for and performed by Steve Whitmire, who got fired a couple of years ago; this might also explain the suspicious absence of Rizzo from this show.

      Finally, an Unpopular Opinion: I like that the writers have broken up Kermit and Miss Piggy and I hope they stay apart from now on. I’m not kidding. I was never a fan of that ship; it was chaotic at best, an abusive relationship at worst, and frankly, both characters are more interesting apart, plus the creators and producers focused far too much on that lame ship at the expense of the other characters and their respective schticks. Maybe now that they’re broken up the writers can finally start concentrating on other aspects of the characters.

      P.S.: I like that Uncle Deadly is around full time now, just give him more to do besides be Piggy’s lackey. Keep Deadly deadly.

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      • It’s kind of odd how there are no songs in Muppets Now given how Muppet Babies (2018) has a song in almost every episode (with some exceptions).

        Speaking of Lips, the role was actually recast with Peter Linz (best known as Walter, though he also took over Statler after Steve Whitmire left). Rizzo actually appeared in the Disney Family Sing-along that aired on May 10 on ABC, but he didn’t have any audible dialogue, just singing as part of a chorus. Likewise, when the Muppets appeared on the James Corden Show on June 26, he once again just sand with the chorus with no solo dialogue. Rizzo’s only real prominence in recent years is on Muppet Babies, with Ben Diskin voicing him and Gonzo.

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  11. It’s interesting you mention older versions of Summer and Skeeter given this interesting email my friend Cassie sent me. With her permission, I’ll repost what she said, in regards to how, though Summer and Skeeter are good characters, they unfortunately won’t be official Muppets. There’s also a link to this article she sent me.

    “A) First off, while The Muppets franchise has plenty of lovable characters, they don’t exactly do the best job when it comes to female representation. Outside of Piggy, Janice (from Electric Mayhem), and Camilla (Gonzo’s chickens), there aren’t many notable females in the Muppets. Compare that to Sesame Street where, even if it’s male skewing, is a lot more accommodating for girls. You have Prairie Dawn, Rosita, Grundgetta, Zoe, Abby, Julia, and plenty more. Most new female Muppets in the Muppets franchise don’t have much of a long life outside of maybe 2 projects. There’s also of course how there’s more primary female performers on Sesame Street than The Muppets, and the 3 characters I mentioned are primarily performed by men.

    B) The second is when it comes to Disney Junior shows based on/connected to properties meant for older audiences. Any new characters introduced in these shows would not appear in other official Disney projects that aren’t Disney Junior projects. Take for example, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and Mickey And The Roadster Racers (or Mickey Mouse Mixed Up Adventures as it’s now called). The former has the character of Toodles and the latter has (among many others) Billy Beagle and Emmy Lou. Once the former show ended, Toodles never appeared in any other Disney media, not in a major role anyway. I’m going to assume it’s the case for the latter. There’s also something like Sofia The First, where she’s interacted with characters from various Disney movies, but is not considered an official Disney princess. Elena Of Avalor is in the same boat. And then we have The Lion Guard, introducing Kion and his friends, who only appear in this show. That’s it. So, I’m thinking that once this show ends, she won’t be considered an official Muppet.

    C) The final thing involves Scooter’s sister Skeeter, who only appeared in the 1984 Muppet Babies and anything associated with it like the live show and various picture books from that time period. I haven’t seen the show in years, but I do remember liking how fierce and adventurous she was. One has to wonder why she hasn’t made any appearance in an official Muppet project as an adult (with the exception of a 2009 comic, and she was only name dropped once at the end). In this interview I found from 2016, it mentions a quote from Frank Oz. The article is lengthy, but I want to highlight one thing. He (quoting from Frank) mentions wanting to keep the Muppets aimed for more of an adult audience. That’s not to say to exclude kids, but make it more for older viewers as the target demographic. Both Muppet Babies shows target young kids , and while still having a healthy audience of both kids and adults, are definitely meant to be sweeter and more light-hearted. Perhaps for better comparison, look at Sesame Street, which has an adult audience, but the target audience is young kids due to the emphasis on an educational curriculum. It’s also why the show has no problem bringing in characters from international versions of Sesame Street since they have the same target audience. If the character of Summer was introduced in an older skewing Muppet project, then she could be an official Muppet. As it is, that’s not going to happen.”

    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/75596/her-name-was-skeeter-mystery-missing-muppet

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  12. A behind the scenes video for new Animaniacs was put up in honor of the original series’ 27th anniversary (with the footage being pre-pandemic).

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  13. https://attractionsmagazine.com/wonderful-world-of-mickey-mouse-animated-shorts-disney/

    There’s a new series of Mickey Mouse shorts being made for Disney+ . The show comes out November 18 with new episodes on Fridays starting November 27. It features the same team who worked on the Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse shorts.

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    • silverstar

      No doubt one of the motivating factors for Disney basically turning the Paul Rudish shorts into a series was the success of Warner Bros.’ Looney Tunes Cartoons on HBO Max. And that’s funny because Wabbit/New Looney Tunes was partially inspired by the Rudish Mickey Mouse shorts.

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  14. So, here’s something interesting. This is a bit long, so buckle up. We all know how a lot of kids shows will often have to have elements needed to appeal to kids. However, one element that intrigues me is how higher ups think that kids shows should always have kids/teenagers be the main characters (or have older characters act childish and naive), and how it’s rare to have adults as the main characters. There are plenty of kids shows that appeal to a wide audience that includes adults, such as Steven Universe and Gravity Falls. However, think back to the 1990s and early 2000s. You could have kids shows that star adult characters, such as Rocko’s Modern Life and Samurai Jack. Though their revivals are different given how the Rocko revival movie still appeals to kids and adults while Samurai Jack season 5 aims for more of an adult audience due to airing on Adult Swim. I’m not complaining since I consider myself open minded and tend to like a lot of shows, though it’s interesting how there’s a much more pronounced effort to have kids shows star young characters, only really showing them as adults if need be near the end (like how Lori on The Loud House is 17 going on 18, young enough for the target audience yet also old enough to relate to older viewers as well). Let me give a few examples.

    1. Established Properties

    In a tweet about kids shows (both preschool and non-preschool shows), Shea Fontana (showrunner for the 2015 DC Superhero Girls) mentioned how kids shows will usually focus on kids/teenagers as main characters. Shows based on established properties can be more lenient in focusing on an adult character like Batman, but even that’s not always the case. The most successful DC properties in the 2010s that keep kids as the target audience are Teen Titans Go, the DC Superhero Girls franchise, and the Lego DC Comics Superheroes DVD movies. The first obviously focuses on teenagers and the wacky hijinks they get into. The second takes characters who are traditionally adult heroes (or in some cases, they become heroes here) and aging them down to teenagers. Wonder Woman in particular is the lead because of how she’s a great warrior, peacemaker, and is also a princess, which makes for a great marketing strategy due to using the character’s familiarity with general audiences. The third one stars adult characters who are written in a more silly way, and every movie since Attack Of The Legion Of Doom (with focus on Cyborg) will give major focus to a young character or relative newcomer to the League. Some examples include Robin’s prominent role in Gotham City Breakout and Batman: Family Matters, Supergirl’s prominent role in Cosmic Clash, Jessica Cruz’s prominent role in Aquaman: Rage Of Atlantis, and Shazam getting his own movie this year. There are cases of this in other franchises, such as the recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons aging down April O’Neil so she’s closer in age to the turtles, or the recent Spider-Man cartoons aging down some heroes and villains so they’re closer in age to Spider-Man, such as Iron Fist in Ultimate Spiderman (the 2012 cartoon) or Doctor Octopus in the 2017 cartoon Marvel’s Spiderman (where he starts the series at 19 years old, only slightly older than Peter). Even something like the Transformers cartoons tend to focus more on younger characters (or those who are relative newcomers), with Transformers Rescue Bots being the most successful Transformers cartoon at 104 episodes.

    2. Royalty

    Another element common to kids shows is how, when they star royalty, it’s usually either a princess or prince, never a king or queen. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly (go to 11:00), Aimee Carrero said how kids shows don’t usually show them being king or queen since it’s generally seen as an adult thing. At best, you can end the show with them being king or queen , but not show anything afterwards. Given that she voices two iconic princesses (Elena from Elena Of Avalor and Adora/She Ra on She Ra And The Princesses Of Power), it’s not surprising. Some other examples of this include Cleopatra on Cleopatra In Space, Sofia from Sofia The First (which Elena Of Avalor spunoff from), and Rapunzel in the Tangled franchise (she’s a young adult, not an older adult). Probably the one exception is My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, but even still, Twilight is still a princess when she takes over Equestria in the series finale, and characters who are clearly adults like Celestia and Luna are still princesses.

    3. Adult Characters And Mature Stories

    So, when you have prominent adult characters and they’re involved in more mature stories, it’s not surprising if they still have to play off of kids. DuckTales 2017 co-creator Francisco Angones mentioned how it was harder to greenlight stories that focus more on adult characters, particularly in “THE GOLDEN LAGOON OF WHITE AGONY PLAINS!”. Even episodes like “The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck” still have him tell the story to Louie, or how many of Della’s episodes will focus more on her relationship with her kids. This can also apply to shows that take premises typically saved for adults, and have kids as the main characters. For example, Tig N Seek takes place in the Department Of Lost And Found, something that sounds tailor made for someone older, yet main character Tiggy is 8. The Disney Junior show TOTS is about a penguin and a flamingo delivering baby animals to families. The storks are adults, but the 2 main leads are kids (and their voice actor are respectively 15 and 12). Likewise, the title character on Mira Royal Detective is 8 years old, and the previous royal detective was established to be an adult. She’s a commoner and the royal characters she hangs out with are both princes.

    This is a bit long, so I’ll wrap up here. Is it definitely more pronounced these days for kids shows to focus on kid/teenage characters?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SheaFontana/status/1270067450281771009

    https://mobile.twitter.com/FrankAngones/status/1198133239786790913

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    • silverstar

      There’s an idee fixe among kid-vid producers that children have an easier time relating to shows that star kids like themselves; adults in general are seen by suits to be kind of dull since they have to hold down jobs and responsibilities. Usually you don’t see a kids’ show starring an adult unless they’re something deemed fun or larger-than-life like a popular celebrity (ex: Camp Candy, Rick Moranis in Gravedale High), a superhero or crime fighter (ex: Superman, Batman, Inspector Gadget, Darkwing Duck), a magical or mythical creature (ex: My Little Pony) or are childlike themselves (ex; Pee-Wee’s Playhouse, Spongebob Squarepants). Kids’ WB! famously went through a phase where they flat-out didn’t want any shows on their lineup that starred grownups and were only interested in shows about kids; Justice League was originally supposed to air on Kids’ WB!, it was the successor to Superman: TAS, hence why Green Lantern, Aquaman and the Flash were all introduced on S:TAS; this was meant to eventually set up the Justice League on the next series, but Kids’ WB! weren’t interested in a show starring a team of adults, so the show ended up on Cartoon Network instead.

      A kids’ show starring adults can work (The Real Ghostbusters comes to mind), but TV execs typically don’t like to take risks, they’d rather stick to tried-and-true formulas, but every so often, someone will try to break the mold. Back in the 70’s it was almost a requirement for every Saturday Morning show to have an animal or non-human mascot of some kind in it, and that eventually passed.

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  15. https://mobile.twitter.com/Bickpixx/status/1285010885329682432

    After Russi Taylor’s death last year, the role of Minnie has been recast with Kaitlyn Robrock starting in the most recent episodes of Mickey Mouse Mixed Up Adventures. The show was previously called Mickey And The Roadster Racers. (she’s been in shows like Amphibia and Doc McStuffins). I have to admit that she sounds very close to Russi Taylor. There’s a bit more of a higher pitch, but you can barely hear it

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  16. Have you ever had one of those times where, when it comes to established voices in tv shows or franchises, you find the replacement better than the original? Let me give a few examples:

    1. Sasha Baron Cohen is good as King Julien, but Danny Jacobs is great as King Julien. He keeps his comical traits, yet we also see more to his character, especially in All Hail King Julien. It probably helps that, other than the 3 movies, he’s voiced him in everything, even the NBC specials that otherwise keep the celebrity voice cast from the movies.

    2. While he’s essentially just using his Cyborg voice, I find Khary Payton to be a better fit for Wasabi from Big Hero 6 han Damon Wayans Jr. He just really shows off his nerdish side yet can also make him very fun loving. It probably helps how he has a tv show to expand on the character. He even reprised the role for Kingdom Hearts 3 (I’ve never played Kingdom Hearts).

    3. Jackie Chan is fine as Monkey from the Kung Fu Panda movies. However, I find James Sie to be the superior voice. It probably also helps that he voiced Jackie on Jackie Chan Adventures. He has more screentime in the first Kung Fu Panda show, helping him out, and can speak English better .

    4. Emma Stone is fine as Eep in The Croods. However, I find Stephanie Lemelin (who voiced her in the prequel series Dawn Of The Croods) to be better. Sure, she’s using a familiar sounding voice (mainly Artemis from Young Justice), but she gives such a natural energy to the performance that it feels more enjoyable.

    5. The last one is The Man In The Yellow Hat. Will Ferrell voiced him in the 2006 movie. For everything else (the DVD sequels to the movie, as well as the PBS Kids show), he’s voiced by Jeff Bennett. Will is good in the role, but I like Jeff’s take more. Besides having more material, he gives a very natural sounding performance in making him sound stressed yet clearly loving.

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    • silverstar

      I really enjoyed Diedrich Bader’s performance as the Missing Link in Monsters VS Aliens: The Series; I’m not going to go so far as to say that Bader’s voicing of the role was better than Will Arnett’s, just that I haven’t seen the movie in a while and I’ve always like Diedrich Bader’s voice.

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  17. One DVD movie I’m excited to get is Happy Halloween Scooby Doo. It’s written and directed by Maxwell Atoms (creator of The From Adventures Of Billy And Mandy, and one of the producers for Jessica Borutski’s show Bunnicula). It looks pretty wild and full of energy. It’s also an unusual crossover featuring Bill Nye (who actually made a guest appearance on Scooby Doo And Guess Who), Elvira (who appeared in the previous DVD movie that came out last year), and the Batman villain Scarecrow (voiced by Mung Daal himself, Dwight Schultz). The trailer is slightly misleading in saying it’s the first Scooby Doo Halloween movie (Scooby Doo And The Goblin King already took that spot).

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  18. There’s one thing I find interesting about Scooby Doo crossovers. Other than a few episodes of Dynomutt Dog Wonder, the only times Scooby Doo characters make guest appearances on another show as part of a crossover are either DC shows (such as “Batman’s Strangest Cases” from season 2 of Batman The Brave And The Bold, and the Teen Titans Go episode “Cartoon Feud”) (interestingly, Scooby Doo and Batman The Brave And The Bold would have a crossover movie in 2018), adult shows (like Harvey Birdman Attorney At Law, or the animated crossover with Supernatural), or a Cartoon Network show (like the Johnny Bravo season 1 episode “Bravo Dooby Doo” and the OK KO episode “Monster Party” featuring the Ghoul School girls from Scooby Doo And The Ghoul School). Scooby Doo has never guest starred on another Hanna Barbera property.. More often than not, Scooby Doo would usually be the host show in a crossover.

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    When it comes to Muppet Babies 2018, I feel like Matt Danner and Eric Bauza are like the Jim Henson and Frank Oz of the show. They have that same lifelong friendship due to being frequent collaborators, and that reflects in their performances. They both started as interns working under John Kricfalusi as animators. Their friendship really started getting off the ground during Coconut Fred’s Fruit Salad Island. Matt was a director on the show and helped with development, with Eric voicing the banana twins. This would continue into the 2010s. Matt was one of the producers, directors, and storyboard artists on The Looney Tunes Show, and Eric voiced Marvin The Martian, a role he still has to this day. Matt also worked on the Club Penguin specials that aired on Disney Channel, with Eric voicing a bunch of minor characters. There’s also The Flintstones And WWE: Stone Age Smackdown, with Matt as one of the animators, and Eric voicing Bamm Bamm, Dino, and Hoppy. Matt is showrunner for Legend Of The Three Caballeros, and Eric voiced Jose and a bunch of recurring characters (and even voiced Scrooge in his cameo in episode 12). With Muppet Babies, Matt is the supervising director, became a co-producer in season 2, and voices Kermit, Rowlf, Beaker, Waldorf, and Chef. Eric voices Fozzie, Bunsen, Statler, and Robin. If you’re keeping track, they voice 4 of the main duos:

    Matt and Eric as Kermit and Fozzie

    Eric and Matt as Statler and Waldorf

    Eric and Matt as Bunsen and Beaker

    Matt and Eric as Kermit and Robin

    Their performances really shine in this regard

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  20. So here’s some strange yet interesting news.

    https://deadline.com/2020/10/batwheels-series-cartoon-network-hbo-max-warner-bros-animation-1234592169/

    There’s a preschool DC cartoon that’s going to air on Cartoon Network and HBO Max called Bat Wheels.

    “They are a team of incredible crimefighters who have banded together to oppose evil, combat crime and clean up the streets of Gotham City. They are…okay, they’re NOT Batman and Robin. They’re the Batwheels – an awesome group of sentient super-powered crime-fighting vehicles defending Gotham City alongside Batman, Robin, Batgirl and a host of DC Super Heroes. Having just been created by the Batcomputer, our heroes are essentially kids with little to no life experience. Led by Bam (The Batmobile), the Batwheels – Bibi (The Batgirl Cycle), Red (The Redbird), Jett (The Batwing) and Buff (The Bat Truck) – must navigate the growing pains of being a newly formed super team as well as the growing pains that come with just being a kid. This relatable and aspirational series will follow the journey of this dynamic team as they thrill and entertain with their heroic adventures as well as demonstrate to kids the value of self-confidence, friendship and teamwork.”

    The showrunner is Michael G. Stern. He’s known for his work on Sofia The First, Doc McStuffins , Chuggington, and the tv movie Lucky Duck. He also wrote an episode of Beware The Batman that had the Batmobile come to life.

    I know Batman is a character that’s been exposed quite a bit, though this does sound interesting.

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    • First, this sounds a bit like Transformers Rescue Bots Academy or Chuck and Friends, only in the DC universe. First DC Super Pets and now cars. Mind you, the former was done in the comics years earlier. I’m definitely too old for this show. It’s the same deal with CN’s Krypto the Super Dog or Spidey and His Amazing Friends on Disney Junior. I see shows like this is sort of a gateway drug; it’s a good way introduce little kids to these characters, and then they can move on to the “harder” stuff when they get older. Also, I can’t get too excited about yet another Batman related project. Yeah, Bats is cool and all, but Warner Brothers has been pumping out a LOT of Batman related stuff in the last few years. How about spotlighting on a different DC hero for a change? One of my favorite super heroes is Mr. Terrific. When is he going to get a show?

      In other news, Yesterday I saw an ad for a new Peanuts animated series coming to Apple TV+ titled The Snoopy Show. Most likely, it’s just like The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show that ran on CBS in the mid 1980s. In other words, Charles M. Schultz’s Peanuts comic strips in animated form. I don’t know which studio is producing this series, but I hope for their sake that this one does better than The Peanuts Show, which aired about a year after The Peanuts Movie (2015). It ran on Boomerang US for about ten minutes. The Peanuts Show came and went so quickly that I can’t find anyone who’s ever seen it. The show doesn’t even have an entry on Wikipedia, and when I try to do a search on it, all I get is information about the CBS Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show. I saw a couple of minutes of The Peanuts Show and it looked like the show was made on the cheap. I didn’t expect it look the 2015 movie’s animation, of course, but TPS looked like it was done with MS Paint or something. Interestingly, though, the character of Franklin was voiced by the same kid who voices Clyde McBride on The Loud House.

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  21. silverstar

    Yeah, I read about Batwheels…meh, whatever. It’s for little kids, not meant to appeal to me, but even if it wasn’t, I’d likely pass on it because frankly, at this point in time I’m about Batmanned out.

    -Side bar: as a Superman fan, I’ve always found the utter hypocrisy of Batman fanboyism to be rather irksome. One of Superman haters’ biggest complaints about Big Blue is that he’s over-powered and therefore a Marty Stu (never mind that there’s sooooo much more to Superman than just his power set), yet Batman is allowed to be awesomely great at everything and able to win in every hypothetical battle he could ever be placed into for no other reason besides “He’s Batman” and these same fans are completely OK with this. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

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    Two thoughts regarding The Snoopy Show:
    1) If someone wants to make a new Peanuts show, that’s fine, but I’m not sure if putting Snoopy front and center is such a great idea; sure, Snoopy is funny and crazy and a fan favorite, but making him the star and centering the show around his antics might risk overexposing and weakening the character. A lot of the appeal of Snoopy’s kookiness is his contrast to the more ‘normal’ characters in the rest of the strip. It’s why Happy Days exec producer Garry Marshall opted not to spin The Fonz off into his own show after the character became popular; Marshall realized that without the Richie/Fonzie contrast it wouldn’t be interesting.

    2) One scene in the trailer that stood out to me was a bit in a movie theater where Peppermint Patty says to Charlie Brown: “Hey Chuck, tell the funny looking kid to keep it down!”. OK, so PP’s gone back to thinking Snoopy is just a silent kid with a big nose? Why? Marcie enlightened her with the truth in the strip when Charles Schulz was still alive; I wonder why they decided to renege on that. It’s not world-altering or anything, that de-evolution just struck me as curious.

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  23. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pixars-soul-bypasses-theaters-sets-disney-christmas-debut

    For anyone who wanted to see Soul in theaters, this will no longer happen. It was first going to be released on June 19 and then later November 20 before eventually being released to Disney+ on December 25. Though if you live somewhere that doesn’t have Disney+, it’ll be released theatrically there.

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  24. There are always some kids show writers who I don’t think get enough attention, so I’ll spotlight 2:

    1. One I can think of is Jeremy Adams. The first show he wrote for is Green Lantern The Animated Series, and his episodes are good. However, he would achieve greatness when mastering the idea of action comedies. He’s written for Justice League Action, Legends Quest, Lego DC Superhero Girls, season 5 of the original DC Superhero Girls, the Lego DC Comics Superheroes DVD movies, Lego Jurassic World, Teen Titans Go Vs Teen Titans, as well as a show he created, Lego Monkie Kid (which hasn’t come out in America yet). He just goes all in with humor yet there’s always a great emphasis on heart. Lego Shazam: Magic And Monsters has childish humor, yet because it’s mostly from the brainwashed and de-aged Justice League, it works. The movie still focuses on Billy Batson as he learns to trust himself in trying to be seen as a hero by the league.

    2. Another person I think deserves more attention is Christine Ferraro. She’s mainly written for Sesame Street, but the work she’s done there is great. She tends to focus more on the cognitive and developmental side of things, and is great at tackling mature topics with the right amount of emotion. She helped develop the character of Julia (a Muppet girl with autism), worked on the Talk Listen Connect specials (dealing with things like military parents and death), and has written a couple of Sesame Street DVD specials that highlight things like the first day of school or how to use a computer. She and fellow Sesame Street producer Carol Lynn Parente created a PBS Kids show called Hero Elementary, with the titular school teaching kids how to be heroes (there are no villains in the series though). It has a young Latina girl named Lucita Sky who can fly despite being afraid of heights, yet she’s all about empathy for others. Benny Bubbles is a heavyset character, but he’s not fit. He’s actually quite fit. He has bubble powers and loves animals, but his sensitive side helps make him endearing. Sara Snap is an Asian American girl who has super strength and teleportation powers. Despite her impulse, she’s very sweet and selfless. There’s also AJ Gadgets, a black kid with autism and mind powers, but he’s portrayed as fairly sociable and is seen as part of the group. Her work on Sesame Street carries over here .

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  25. One Disney Channel I’m looking forward to is The Ghost And Molly McGee (previously titled The Curse Of Molly McGee). It’s a show about the titular Molly, who befriends a ghost named Scratch. Thanks to some magical mishap, he’s forever bound to her. Molly is voiced by Ashly Burch, best known for characters such as Enid from OK KO and Ridley from Glitch Techs. Scratch is voiced by Dana Snyder, known for characters like Gazpacho from Chowder and Mr. Baldwin from Fish Hooks.

    The show is created by animation veterans Bill Motz and Bob Roth (whose many works include the Aladdin and Hercules tv shows, Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command, Kim Possible, Brandy And Mr. Whiskers, Xiaolin Showdown, The Penguins Of Madagascar, and Lego Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures). The show’s story editor is Madison Bateman, who whose works include Motorcity and DuckTales 2017. The music is done by Rob Cantor, who’s done the music from Goldie And Bear, TOTS, and the Disney Junior Nursery Rhymes (though he’s made albums outside of Disney).

    There is currently a theme song animatic, a video showing a compilation of songs that will be in the show, and a sneak peek. The animation is done by Mercury Filmworks, whose works include Jake And The Neverland Pirates, Mickey Mouse (2013), season 1 of both Wander Over Yonder and Penn Zero Part Time Hero, as well as The Lion Guard, Tangled The Series/Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure, and Legend Of The Three Caballeros.

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    • This doesn’t look like my type of thing, but kids might like it. I don’t see The Ghost and Molly McGee becoming a giant hit. At the most, it may end up being a moderate hit, like Big City Greens. Molly is cute and I’ve liked many of the things that Dana Snyder has been in, but this isn’t something that I’d go out of my way to watch.

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      • A show may have all the ingredients to be a success (likable characters, interesting plot, notable creators, etcetera), yet can still fly under the radar. Big City Greens is interesting in how it’s the most well treated show by Disney (it’s the only cartoon to get plenty of airtime each day on both Disney Channel and Disney XD, unlike most of the other Disney cartoons rerunning on Disney XD). As for other shows, Amphibia has had some decent discussion due to its plot and being created by Matt Braly (who worked on Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, and Big City Greens), but only really made a big splash when season 2 came out. Likewise, Craig Of The Creek on Cartoon Network only really started getting notable attention near the end of season 2 back in June despite its creators having worked on Steven Universe. This was mainly when there was more of a big story being integrated into the show (although it’s still primarily slice of life).

        It’s kind of interesting when network executives only really care when enough kids watch a show, yet its adults who are the most vocal about a show online. Like, I’ve seen more adults than kids talk about shows like Infinity Train or The Owl House.

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  26. silverstar

    My initial thoughts:

    1. Dana Snyder will always be Master Shake to me.

    2. A little too much singing for my tastes.

    3. Is this a kid protagonist in a Disney project with 2 living parents? Wonders never cease!

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  27. To Silverstar:

    2. It’s interesting given how, other than Disney Junior shows (which frequently use music), this will be the first Disney show since Phineas And Ferb to heavily utilize music.

    3. On the Disney Channel side of things, it’s rare to show 2 parents. For Disney Junior, it’s more commonplace.

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  28. So, the New York Comic Con panel for new Animaniacs came out. It’s 28 minutes long, and there’s a clip at 18:40.

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    • I should be pumped about this…but I’m not. I mean, yeah, the animation looks good and all, but am I the only one who thinks that Warner Bros./Amblin is trying too hard? It’s clear that the studio is hoping that Animaniacs is going to strike gold twice and I just don’t see that happening here. It may be good, but it won’t be as good as it was the first time. I can almost guarantee that. Some reboots work and some don’t. One reason why the Ducktales reboot worked is because the reboot fixed many of the problems that the 1987 series had. Same deal with the Muppet Babies reboot. Personally, I was OK with A! being over because the show ended on a (relatively) high note. As the old saying goes, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

      Also, I really wish that the cast and crew would mention some other returning characters besides just Warners and Pinky and the Brain. We know they’re going to be in it, but who else is coming back? I enjoyed the Warners and P&tB are OK in small doses (although they were favorites of mine), but my favorite attraction after the Warners was Slappy Squirrel, and if she’s not going to be in this, already my enthusiasm for this reboot is cut in half. It’s been speculated that some attraction may be dropped and replaced with new ones, which I think is a good idea. Mindy & Buttons, The Hip Hippos and Katie Kaboom can stay buried, but I really hope that this version of A! isn’t just the Warners and Pinky and the Brain.

      I still would prefer it if Warner Media would use their time and money toward making something new and original instead of trying to revive something from twenty years ago. When will we be getting more episodes of Looney Tunes Cartoons? Only the first 10 episodes are on HBO Max and I’ve seen them all a few times now.

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        ^Agreed, I’m still very underwhelmed by this.

        Let me add that while I know that these are just specially made promotional clips, I really wish the writers would dial it back with the self-aware references. You don’t have to keep parroting “they’ve been gone for 20 years”, we know that. It’s like they’re banking really heavily on the audience’s nostalgia alone to carry this new Animaniacs, which doesn’t bode well, as it makes it look like the show can’t stand on its’ own merits. When Disney rebooted DuckTales, they didn’t spend every promo for it hammering “It’s been 20 years, but they’re back!”; the producers just did their thing, made some fundamental changes to the mythos and gambled that the audience would roll with it, which they did.

        I find it ironic in the extreme that the producers went with a Jurassic Park parody for this promo clip. I keep thinking of the Jeff Goldblum line: “(These guys) were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they never considered whether or not they should.” That seems to be this reboot in a nutshell.

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  29. I don’t know if this will be seen as too sensitive, but it’s worth mentioning.

    So, with LGBTQ content being being made more common in animation, one question I saw is if there are more female sex relationships than male same sex relationships (either confirmed or hinting at a potential relationship), whether a major element to the show or a minor element. Let me explain.

    We have shows like Steven Universe with Ruby and Sapphire’s wedding (amongst other things), Harley Quinn with Harley and Ivy getting together in the season 2 finale after confirming their feelings for each other, She Ra And The Princesses Of Power with Adora and Catra getting together, The Legend Of Korra with Korra and Asami getting together, Adventure Time with Marceline and Princess Bubblegum getting together, and Cleopatra In Space with how Akila has two mothers. The Owl House is also building up a romantic relationship between Luz and Amity. Even with minor or one shot characters, it still seems to be mainly female. For example, it’s revealed in My Little Pony Friendship Magic that Scootaloo has two aunts (first revealed in a graphic novel before appearing in The Last Crusade). The DC Superhero Girls 2019 episode “House Pest” shows that Jessica Cruz has two mothers. The Doc McStuffins episode “The Emergency Plan” showed a doll family with two mothers. The TOTS episode “Night At The Nursery/Seas The Day” shows that Oki the otter and Donny the dolphin each have 2 mothers.

    By contrast, what about male same sex relationships? The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are Clyde’s dads on The Loud House, Bow’s dads on She Ra And The Princesses Of Power, Benson being gay on Kipo And The Age Of Wonder Beasts, and Nia from The Bravest Knight having 2 fathers, Sir Cedric and Prince Andrew.

    Two more random notes:

    There’s an interesting thing with DuckTales 2017 where we see in the season 3 premiere that Violet Saberwing has 2 dads, but they’re only seen in the background. The later episode “They Put A Moonlander On The Earth” has Penumbra say that she doesn’t want to date an earth male. Storyboard artist Samantha King (who’s a lesbian) mentioned how this is meant to be confirmation of Penumbra being a lesbian (considering her interactions with Della, it’s not too much of a surprise).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SamanthaCKing/status/1310796963718201344

    LGBTQ representation is interesting when it comes to Southeast Asia, where they’re more accepting if it’s between female characters rather than make characters. The Owl House episode “Understanding Willow” aired in places like The Philippines and Thailand, where they censored out the pictures of Willow’s two dads. When the next episode, “Enchanted Grom Fright”, aired in Southeast Asia, they censored a scene of a gay couple dancing, but they kept the scene of Luz and Amity sharing an intimate dance to defeat the monster, as well as the scene where the audience finds out that Amity wanted to ask Luz out to the dance.

    https://theowlhouse.fandom.com/wiki/Enchanting_Grom_Fright

    I’ve heard some people say that it’s because lesbian/bisexual showrunners are more commonplace compared to gay showrunners.

    This does make one curious. What do you think?

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  30. silverstar

    M’kay. Well…

    -First, let me preface this by stating that as an aro ace, much of the appeal of shipping in general eludes me, but if I were to take a stab at the reasoning why, I’d say that overall a boy/boy ship would probably be a harder sell than a girl/girl one is, for a number of reasons:

    With society as a whole still firmly lodged in the centuries old myths and rules of gender culture, it’s generally conjectured that females are more emotionally open and more receptive to expressing romantic feelings than male characters. Many boys grow up being taught that it’s not ‘manly’ to gush over girls, let alone other boys. There’s also the matter of more girl/girl ships automatically meaning more female characters, which is something people have been wanting to see happen for some time; by contrast, there’s already a surplus of male characters in fiction and popular culture, so the desire for boy/boy ships by comparison just isn’t as great.

    Finally, there’s the general belief that most viewers would rather look at 2 cute girls flirting than 2 gooney guys, but a lot of that can be attributed to how the majority of TV and movie producers and executives are heterosexual males.

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      Offhand there’s only one canon male/male ship that I can think of: Puddle, the alien something-or-other from Summer Camp Island, who’s in love with the king of his planet; they even get married in a later season IIRC. On Tumblr there’s a bunch of folks who are currently shipping Ash from Pokemon with a new boy trainer named Goh; there’s a ton of Ash/Goh fan art on Tumblr and some people have entire accounts devoted to that, however I highly doubt that it’s canon; half the fanbase would abandon Pokemon forever if the producers made Ash Ketchum gay. Personally, I don’t see the point in putting Ash into any kind of serious relationship since he gets different companions in each new show.

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    Here’s another reason why I’m kind of irked about this Animaniacs reboot: it’s opened the floodgates for fanboys and fangirls on social media to start requesting reboots of other shows. Now everybody’s like, “Now reboot Tiny Toons!” “Now reboot Freakazoid!” “Now reboot Road Rovers!” “Now Disney can reboot House of Mouse!” Um, how about NO? Every ding-dang cartoon from the 90’s doesn’t need to come back, OK? We don’t even know how successful this A! reboot is going to be, yet these greedy nostalgic so-and-sos just can’t get their fill. Haven’t you guys had enough yet? I’m legit sick of all these reboots, remakes and revivals; producers would rather just ride the nostalgia train instead of pouring time, money and effort into new shows and properties that can become cult classics in their own right 10 to 15 to 20 years from now.

    We don’t need a new House of Mouse; we’re getting The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse, basically a weekly series version of the Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse shorts. And we sure don’t need a new Tiny Toons. Warner Media has blessed us with Looney Tunes Cartoons, which is awesome, so what do we need the knockoff Looney Tunes for? Tiny Toon Adventures reeks of the 1990’s and that’s where it should stay. Can we start getting some good new and original shows now??

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  32. There’s a new Disney Channel show created by Dan Povenmire. It’s called Hamster And Gretel. He explains the premise in 45 seconds. This is the first time Dan created a show without Jeff Swampy Marsh (which is the opposite of the Pete The Cat preschool cartoon on Amazon, which is created by Jeff without Dan)

    https://deadline.com/2020/10/hamster-and-gretel-disney-channel-dan-povenmire-1234595560/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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    • silverstar

      Hmmm…OK.
      I’m not a big Phineas and Ferb fan and I couldn’t get into Milo Murphy’s Law, so this probably won’t be for me, but kids might like it, so…yay, I guess?

      That’s really all I can say beyond “This looks dumb and I have no interest in it.”

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      • It’ll be interesting to see how this will be received, but I’ve so far heard good things about this show. Even with how Milo Murphy’s Law season 2 was a bit divisive (mostly from integrating Phineas And Ferb characters into the show, and making Doofenshmirtz a recurring character), there is still a good deal of hype considering Dan’s reputation in the animation Industry.

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    • I can see something like Hamster & Gretel working as a one-and-done short, but not as an endless series. I can’t see the show’s producers getting a great deal of interesting stories out of this. It’s just about the absurdity of the situation, which can only be taken so far. But then, I was never a huge fan of Phineas & Ferb either, so what do I know?

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  33. “It’s kind of interesting when network executives only really care when enough kids watch a show, yet its adults who are the most vocal about a show online. Like, I’ve seen more adults than kids talk about shows like Infinity Train or The Owl House.”

    Network execs care about what kids think of these shows because a) kids are the target demographic for channels like Disney Channel, and b) kids are the main audience for the merchandise. Kids don’t have to pay rent, mortgages bills and other expenses, therefore they have the most disposable income to buy things like books, toys and games based on their favorite shows (Ironically, it’s typically the parents of said children who buy these products for their kids).

    Shows like Steven Universe and Infinity Train aren’t really for kids; they’re aimed at the kids’ hipster parents, but they have bright colors and move fast, so they can be marketed as kid’s shows. I don’t know any kid who’s a fan of Infinity Train (mind you, I spent very little time with children). And the only people that I personally know of who are talking about The Owl House are people on Tumblr, and they only like the show because of what appears to be a budding lesbian romance between two of the central characters (Luz and Amnity).

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  34. I know I’m being rather chatty, but considering it’s a holiday weekend, there’s plenty of time to say something.

    If the heavy seasonal rot of shows like Star Vs The Forces Of Evil and Voltron Legendary Defender taught people anything, it’s never to assume that being story driven is the only reason to like a show. It can be the main reason, but never the sole reason to like a show. Star Vs suffered from making Star too unlikable (as well as some other characters like her mother and Marco), emphasizing themes over character development, putting style over substance, and being a trend chaser due to trying to copy shows like Steven Universe and Gravity Falls. The rather messy production schedule didn’t help. Voltron suffered not just from executive meddling, but also the creators really trying to kill off a character, being more about tragedy and less on story and character development.

    I can appreciate shows like Elena Of Avalor, Stretch Armstrong And The Flex Fighters, and Niko And The Sword Of Light not only because they’re story driven, but because they greatly emphasize his charming the characters are and how they develop. They take the time to make you truly care for them, and don’t pull any cheap stunts just to get attention.

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  35. One Nickelodeon show I’m looking forward to is Big Nate (which is based on a book I’ve never heard of, with the same name). The show is created by Mitch Watson (co-creator of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, co-creator of Beware The Batman, creator of All Hail King Julien, and co-creator of Kung Fu Panda: The Paws Of Destiny. He’s worked on plenty of big shows, so this sounds pretty good.

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  36. About 3 months ago, a pilot was uploaded to Cartoon Network’s youtube channel. It’s called Trick Moon and is created by Geneva Hodgson (who worked on OK KO! Let’s Be Heroes). The pilot was very well received, with many people asking for it to be turned into a series. Unfortunately, she went onto Twitter a few days ago and said that it will not be made into a series. She says that corporate restructuring was the main reason (with AT & T and Time Warner merging under Warner Media, I think?). Now this is something that’s common in business, so it’s not surprising, but it is disappointing.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cartoonfuntime/status/1317212983437651968

    As mentioned, this isn’t surprising. Infinity Train creator Owen Dennis said how he would like to make more books, but everyone has been laid off. There would have to be a tremendous amount of support for more episodes to be considered. Interestingly enough, the show was originally going to be on HBO Max from the start.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OweeeeenDennis/status/1295137670499168256

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OweeeeenDennis/status/1294083305944408065

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    • That cartoon with the anthropomorphic wolves on the alien planet? I have no strong feeling about that one way or another. It kind of reminds me of Sonic fan fiction. No joke: I honestly thought that Trick Moon was somehow connected to the Sonic universe when I first saw it.

      To Ms. Hodgson, I would say don’t give up. Dan Povenmeyer and Jeff “Swampy” Marsh pitched Phineas & Ferb to a number of places before their show got greenlit by Disney.

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    • silverstar

      Eh, with all of the streaming services and soon-to-be-launched streaming services out there, I’m sure Trick Moon will find a home somewhere. Adventure Time was rejected by Nickelodeon before going to Cartoon Network, The Fairly OddParents was rejected by Cartoon Network before getting picked up by Nickelodeon, and Nick initially passed on The Proud Family and Ed, Edd ‘n’ Eddy before they wound up on Disney Channel and CN respectively.

      Trick Moon didn’t look like my cup of tea, though. I’ve basically had my fill of shows with over-arcing plots and unfolding mysteries and whatnot. We could use some more pure comedy cartoons, particularly on streaming. Not every show has to be serious and serialized. I can’t be the only one who just wants to see fun characters having fun, wacky adventures in standalone stories without any super-important world-saving stuff going on.

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      • I’m not sure that would happen. Even mostly comedic shows that are primarily slice of life are incorporating more continuity and/or story arcs (with the usual exception being preschool shows). Even shows like Craig Of The Creek, Harvey Girls Forever (formerly known as Harvey Street Kids), and Big City Greens have introduced more continuity. The only modern shows that are purely comedic with almost no continuity are Spongebob and the 2 most recent Looney Tunes series.

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  37. silverstar

    I never said ‘no continuity at all’; continuity is fine. I’m talking no ‘big bad evil lurking in the tall grass waiting to strike’ or ‘there’s a big mysterious mystery to unfold behind the scenes that will be explored across several episodes (with some filler in between) and culminated in the season finale’, that kind of thing. A show that contains no more ‘action’ than the average Looney Tunes or Tom & Jerry. I don’t see why we can’t get more cartoons like the aforementioned SpongeBob Squarepants, the animated Beetlejuice, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack or Looney Tunes Cartoons instead of nonstop arc-heavy shows like Amphibia, She-Ra: Princesses of Power and Kipo and the Wonderbeasts. Every new cartoon doesn’t have to be Lord of the Rings.

    A cartoon can have continuity without tons of epic action/adventure or world-altering story arcs. Futurama comes to mind. Regular Show and Close Enough are other examples of what I’m saying.

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    • My bad. I guess I misunderstood. On a related note, The Tom And Jerry Show (2014) is another show that keeps things episodic.

      As for why cartoons are becoming more story driven, I’d say it’s due to uncertainty on longevity. If a cartoon gets cancelled for some unexplained reason, it’s best to make every season finale a potential series finale in case you don’t get renewed. A good season finale for a story driven show has good buildup. Amphibia creator Matt Braly said that if the show never made it past season 1, then “Reunion” would’ve also been a series finale. Now thankfully, the show was renewed for season 2 and later season 3, but he’s still right. A show that was cancelled before completely wrapping up everything is Motorcity. It was cancelled after 1 season of 20 episodes. However, the people working on the show wrote the season 1 finale as a potential series finale in case it happened, and it does have a sense of closure that it wraps up the show well. Watching a tv show is like signing a contract. You sign a contract to place your trust in someone, in this case, making sure it’s a good show. Should something happen, you should at least be able to deliver something that feels complete.

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      • silverstar

        That’s why I prefer stand-alone stories. They can be viewed in any order (for the most part), you can come into them at any time and not be lost (this is one reason why stand-alone shows tend to perform better in reruns than story-driven shows) and as a writer you’re not constantly faced with the dilemma of having to top yourself.

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  38. So, let’s take things into a more positive spin. One episode of Muppet Babies (2018) that I keep continually going back to is the episode “A Tale Of Two Twins”. The basic premise is about Scooter and Skeeter switching places, but there’s much more to it. It’s about Scooter wanting to go to the spa with Summer and Piggy while Skeeter wants to ride extreme tricycles with Animal, Fozzie, And Gonzo (Kermit is the announcer). However, they get brought to the other activity, and continually switch places to do their favorite activity. This episode is essentially about tackling gender stereotypes, with the main message of the episode being about how you can do activities outside of a perceived social norm. What makes it work is with how everyone acts believably. For example, Scooter and Skeeter are very supportive of each other. Whenever one of them is in trouble, they do what they can to help out. There’s also this line from Skeeter (I don’t remember the exact words, so I’m paraphrasing)

    Skeeter: Scooter can’t jump over that canyon. He can’t even jump over a rain puddle.

    The tone is that of genuine concern since she never thinks he’s weak. She’s just realizing that he’ll be in trouble if he does something he’s not an expert on. It helps that Scooter is good with a tricycle. He’s just not about being extreme.

    Everyone else is also in top form. In one scene where Scooter (actually Skeeter in disguise) accidentally breaks the wheel on his trike, they give him the time to get his tools and fix his bike. They look out for him. Likewise, during the scene of Skeeter at the spa with the girls, their conversation is pretty casual, never dismissive of others. They even like it when Skeeter (actually Scooter in disguise) fixes up their salon chairs to give them perfect hairdos. The ending is where it gets good. Naturally, they’re exposed and talk about why they kept switching places. Everyone then forgives them and says they should be more upfront with what they want to do. This works given how no one throughout the episode says anything to the effect of “spas are a girl thing, trikes are a boy thing”. The episode then ends with everyone deciding to take part in the trike race and also do the spa, with the last scene of the episode being of all 8 of them hanging out in the spa.

    So, we have an episode that encourages kids to pursue activities outside of perceived social norms, and it makes everyone likable. I call this a success.

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  39. Here’s the trailer for new Animaniacs.

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  40. A trailer for Raya And The Last Dragon came out. I predict it will still come out March 12. It’s just a matter on if it’ll be in theaters or Disney+.

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    • I’ve honestly never heard of this before today. Not really my type of thing, but Raya’s got some cute toes, though.

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      • This movie was announced back in August 2019.

        Here’s an interesting fact. Raya was originally going to be voiced by Cassie Steele. Once official images started coming out in August 2020, it was discovered that the role was recast with Kelly Marie Tran (who is Asian).

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    • silverstar

      Avatar: The Last Airbender much?

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  41. Between the three shows that Craig McCracken made, I find Wander Over Yonder to be his best. There are a few reasons:

    1. Tye show is tonally consistent. The original Powerpuff Girls is a good show, and while Craig’s involvement didn’t prevent duds, the show definitely did change when he left, not really for the better. Rather than being an action comedy where one side didn’t overshadow the other, the show became a straight on comedy. Bringing the show into a more comedic direction is not a bad idea, but the comedy in seasons 5-6 is definitely a lot less well written, relying more on cheap humor. As for Foster’s Home For Imaginary Friends, it’s a good show and one I find underrated, but the constant idiocy from many of the main characters as well the more cynical tone of later episodes is a bit of a turnoff. Except for stuff like Destination Imagination, almost everything from the later seasons is divisive. With Wander, that’s not the case. The show is consistently optimistic and embraces cartoony roots without one side overshadowing the other. I’d say it’s due to the characters having well defined personalities, that it makes episodes like “The Rider” or “The Wanders” feel like stronger episodes. The smaller cast for the show (Wander, Sylvia, Lord Hater, Commander Peepers, and eventually Lord Dominator) helps the show out.

    2. This one is tied into the first a bit, but I’d say change is another factor. The show is able to change things up and go a little bigger, yet still feel like something the show would do. The 4 half hour specials of season 2 best demonstrate this as the characters are continually tested (such as Wander with his optimism and Hater with his desire to be seen as awesome). They both get tested when it comes to their relationships with others. Even the more standalone stories feel more polished what with having episodes about Hater and Peepers (those there were in season 1, but season 2 had some of them without Wander and Sylvia), as well as episodes that show things from different perspectives (such as The Breakfast, where we see Wander and Hater’s personalities and how they are in making breakfast, or an episode like The Legend, where 3 kids talk about who they think Wander is). Season 2 has a more overarching story, yet still stays true to what the show is about, making people happy. It’s a theme that stays consistent with the show.

    Also, this is more a side note. Wander only ran for 2 seasons while PPG and Foster’s ran for 6 seasons, thus avoiding seasonal rot. I’m also excited for Craig’s new show got Netflix called Kid Cosmic, which has yet to premiere.

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    • silverstar

      Eh, the first few episodes of Wander Over Yonder were OK, but once Lord Hater and the villains started becoming more prominent, I fell off of it. I never thought the show needed a ‘Mwah-ha-haaa!” villain in the first place (I was fine with just simple stories involving Wander and Sylvia traveling the galaxy helping people and stuff) so when it became the Lord Hater Show, I lost interest. I had already moved on by the time they got to Lord Dominator.

      I loved the theme song, though.

      This is my first time hearing about Kid Cosmic; I don’t know anything about that show, so I’ll reserve any opinion on that until after I’ve seen, heard or read more about it.

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      • https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6161784

        Interestingly, Craig McCracken took part in this interview from 2014 (updated in 2017) where he says this about Hater:

        “You know, I couldn’t bring this up to Disney when I was originally pitching Wander to them. But I’ve always felt that it’s Hater’s show,” Craig said.

        “I mean, Wander’s the star of the show. But Hater’s the protagonist. He’s the character that has the most to learn over the course of this show and is the one who most needs to grow. And so Hater’s the character that you sympathize with the most because he’s the most flawed. Whereas Wander… He’s the guy who’s kind of got it figured out, who’s got his stuff together. I mean, Wander has some flaws. But he’s really the guy who’s guiding Hater to his future or wherever he’s going to end up.”

        As for Kid Cosmic, here’s what it’s about:

        “Kid Cosmic (2020) is an animated series in production from Craig McCracken (The Powerpuff Girls, Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends). This is a show about a young boy who dreams of becoming a hero, and when he stumbles across some cosmic stones of power his dreams appear to have come true! Unfortunately, the reality of being a hero vs. the fantasy of being a hero are completely different and this challenge becomes the biggest battle he has to face. The Kid may be the good guy, but he’s really bad at it!”

        https://deadline.com/2018/11/netflix-the-willoughbys-maya-and-the-three-trash-truck-my-fathers-dragon-go-go-cory-carson-kid-cosmic-animated-1202496603/

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  42. So, 2 weeks ago, there was a new Nick Jr show that came out called Santiago Of The Seas. It’s created by Niki Lopez and the creators of Dora The Explorer. One thing I find interesting is that it was apparently able to trend on Twitter yesterday. That is surprising. Preschool shows are barely talked about by older viewers (even ones who watch with their kids), and this show barely got any attention until just a few weeks ago despite being announced over a year ago. I figured it wouldn’t trend. I’ve seen some people trying to get Hero Elementary trending (due to the creators having worked on Sesame Street) as well as shows like Muppet Babies 2018 (due to the creator being known for creating Codename Kids Next Door), but to no success. It doesn’t make me angry, but more confused. The show barely got any attention, yet was able to trend for a bit.

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200714005669/en/%C2%A1PIRATAS-AHOY%21-Nickelodeon%E2%80%99s-Brand-New-Preschool-Series-Santiago-of-the-Seas-Sets-Sail-for-Action-Packed-Adventures-Friday-Oct.-9-at-1230-P.M.-ETPT

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AmphibiaWikia/status/1319626268820852741

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